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#2918 2008-08-05 10:17 GMT-5 hours    
CARACAS, Venezuela - President Hugo Chavez said on Aug. 3 that 24 missile-firing Russian Sukhoi fighter jets have been delivered to Venezuela, and he warned the recently reactivated U.S. 4th Fleet to steer clear of Venezuelan waters.

"We've received the 24 Sukhoi aircraft" complete with pilots, crews and missiles, Chavez said on his weekly radio program.

"They're for defensive purposes, we're not going to attack anybody," Chavez said, adding that missile test-firing had already begun.

Chavez boasted that the Sukhoi missiles have far greater range than those of the U.S. F-16 fighter jet, and proceeded to warn the 4rth Fleet the U.S. reactivated in July to keep out of Venezuelan waters.

"Any gringo ship that sails into brown waters (river waters) will itself turn brown and go to the bottom, because they'll not get through," Chavez said. The fighter jets were part of a $3 billion military deal with Moscow that include tanks and Kalashnikov assault rifles, which the U.S. has criticized because of concerns that some of the armament may end up in the hands of leftist Colombian guerrillas.

Mothballed for nearly 60 years, 4th Fleet for Latin America and the Caribbean, according to the Pentagon, has no aircraft carrier or large warships, lacks offensive capability and will not enter any river or maritime territorial limits.


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I would guess it's the SU-27** Maybe UB, but not sure. We do know that it can "Fire a missile"????, which would be a grave mistake to do against a gringo flying a F/A-18E/F!!!

I just love these stupid threats!! And they came WITH pilots!! LOL

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#2919 2008-08-05 11:13 GMT-5 hours    
Jeff,

Su-30MK2's fella, they have had them a while to honest, we have actually had shots of them on here since March.

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I guess its news because they now have the full complement of jets, these are very advanced fighters and I wouldn't under estimate them to be honest.

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#2920 2008-08-05 11:30 GMT-5 hours    
I love the Su-30's, and agree they are very advanced aircraft, but it still matters who is in the cockpit. I'll pit the skills of a US Navy/Marine pilot against anyone at any time. The AMV pilots have had only a couple of years experience with their Sukhois, while the gringos have had decades experience with the F/A-18. Besides, the Super Hornet is no slouch itself. I'd reckon a USN pilot with an F-14 could easily handle Chavez's new Sukhois.

Chavez is just blowing smoke anyway...

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#2923 2008-08-05 17:05 GMT-5 hours    
John,

The Su-30 is a beautiful aircaft and is capable in the right hands. I had not seen the previous post, being new, but was really making a point of what Chavez said. People like him love to boast when new inventory arrives in country, as worthy an aircraft as the SU-30 is, it's like N74JW stated...It's who is flying them that counts.

I would even bet one of our best in an F-4F would give them a run for their money!

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#2940 2008-08-05 22:13 GMT-5 hours    
He's just blowing smoke. They'll be lucky to have the parts to maintain 15 of these 30 in a serviceable condition to attack anything American. I want to see someone foolish enough in my life time to attack a carrier battle group.

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#2958 2008-08-07 20:41 GMT-5 hours    
well that is a fact.the SU-30 are capable enough but without a true pilot they are nothing....my question is whta if the russians are flying the SU-30???

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#2959 2008-08-07 21:25 GMT-5 hours    
Again, it would be just down right stupid, Russians or not, if they were to make trouble with a carrier battle group. But like everyone is saying, "He's just blowing smoke".

I'd put our F/A-18E/F, with Top Gun pilots, up against any pilot in the SU-30. We are just so much better trained.

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#3058 2008-08-19 03:17 GMT-5 hours    
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would guess it's the SU-27** Maybe UB, but not sure. We do know that it can "Fire a missile"????, which would be a grave mistake to do against a gringo flying a F/A-18E/F!!!



yeah, believe me, it can fire a missile..in fact a KH-59, KH-29, KAB-500KR...etc etc and all the A/A missiles..I was there in the first firing of that missile (KH-29 and 59 and KAB500)...and I have pictures and video of the moment...

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#3059 2008-08-19 03:21 GMT-5 hours    
..and remember...the pilots of the Su-30 of the AMBV were taken from the other units I.E. F-16 unit, Mirage 50 unit, VF-5 unit and OV-10 unit....the F-16 pilots have about 1000 flying hours on the A/C with two participations on Red Flag exercises.

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#3063 2008-08-19 12:15 GMT-5 hours    
Oh, No, I must have made THUD mad...........

I talk about pilots from other countries because I know......

Venezuela pilots couldn't hold a dogfight with Americans if the Americans were flying A-4's in a fight with their SU-30's

Get real guy, I don't care that they once flew F-16, Mirage 50's, or anything else....it's NOT the plane, it's the pilot and up against our boys, they are NOTHING!

Fact.

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#3065 2008-08-19 12:21 GMT-5 hours    
AND, if his pilot's are so damn good, why the hell is he saying for us to watch out only after he get's the SU's????

Bottom line again if you missed it is that the SU-30 is a killer plane, it's awesome, but ONLY in the right hands. They couldn't do crap with their other fighters and they can't do crap no.


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#3069 2008-08-19 17:49 GMT-5 hours    
Whatever you say man, you are right......nobody can beat you..Yeah!! you're the man!! (cheers and applauses) you already had a dogfight with venezuelan pilots, to be sure to say that!!

P.S. I have MORE than 30 years of Search & investigation BTW, So..don't try to be ironic with me, eh? lol

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#3070 2008-08-19 18:24 GMT-5 hours    
Guys, until there is a real show-down you are both speculating. PERIOD!

Lets leave it at that. If there ever is a chance for them to go head to head, then we'll talk.

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#3075 2008-08-19 19:19 GMT-5 hours    
How did the Indian Su-30's do at Red Flag?

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#3076 2008-08-19 20:43 GMT-5 hours    
I suspect the true answer to that question will not be known to us, the general public, and to many military personnel for some time. The Indian SU-30's deployed to the UK last year did not even use their radar sets to acquire and track targets. RAF Tornadoes performed that function on behalf of the IAF. Agreements between India and the Russian export company preclude the use of the Su-30's N011M is a digital multi-mode dual frequency band radar and other advanced features in an international exercise. If they did, USAF EC-135s were orbiting the exercise area just in case.

Given that, one can wonder what the Indians actually did in Red Flag. The previous agreements most certainly have not changed since last summer. ??? Maybe the USAF wanted to pit an F-22A against a live Su-30MKI and not a Mig-29 or Su-27, which the USAF already possesses?

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#3080 2008-08-20 13:19 GMT-5 hours    
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Agreements between India and the Russian export company preclude the use of the Su-30's N011M is a digital multi-mode dual frequency band radar and other advanced features in an international exercise.


That same agreement is set with Venezuela...but just in case sometimes is a USAF EC-135 orbiting near Venezuelan shores from Curazao..

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#3081 2008-08-20 13:37 GMT-5 hours    
I am sure...

Don't forget the odd Global Hawk, and those E-2C's, which are looking for more than just drug runners.

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