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#1894 2008-01-22 19:26 GMT-5 hours    
Hi everybody,

After some considerable thought on the matter we've reached the next stage on making the F-16 as standardized and as straight forward as possible. A while ago the site went with General Dynamics for A through D models and Lockheed-Martin for later. Which, while not being strictly accurate (C/D models are still being produced for export) seemed the best compromise between accuracy and adopting a system which was easy to use.

The next stage was to look at the list of variants and rationalize that as far as possible, while still keeping the database accurate. This is what we've come up with;

General Dynamics F-16A Fighting Falcon
General Dynamics F-16ADF Fighting Falcon
General Dynamics F-16AM Fighting Falcon
General Dynamics F-16B Fighting Falcon
General Dynamics F-16BM Fighting Falcon
General Dynamics F-16C Fighting Falcon
General Dynamics F-16D Fighting Falcon
Lockheed Martin F-16E Fighting Falcon
Lockheed Martin F-16F Fighting Falcon

As you can see, there's a lot less! I'll briefly run through a couple of points and some of the changes.

The C/D model now covers all the former sub-variants, CG/DG and CJ/DJ. This looks like the most consistent and accurate format we could adopt. Looking through the database I found many pics in these sections had been filed in error, assuming the most logical definition of the differences between the variations. Given that the above variants are not official - despite common usage - and the differences between them are quite blurred nowadays, espically in US service, they have been done away with. Even some of the later deliveries, including for example, the Polish and recent Israeli deliveries that have local designations still come under the C/D variant. This hasn't been done lightly, and if and when some of the other obscure or even possible future variants are uploaded they will be added on a case by case basis, with the aim to keeping the database as consistent as is possible.

This should also make the selection at the uploading stage a lot more straightforward as well. I haven't altered the database yet as I wanted to post beforehand but in the next few days will edit entries inline with the above. It will probably take a few days!

Any queries, by all means shout.

Gary

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#1896 2008-01-23 03:57 GMT-5 hours    
Hi,

I was thinking as the F-16 version matter is rather simple, as this aircraft has one of the greatest reference sites possible on the net. F-16.net has all serials of F-16s made and with them all the info about the version. Indeed if you know the site it's rather easy to find what kind of viper your uploading.

Offcourse not all are aware of the site and that's why I came with the thought that maybe you can add a small entry box for the blocks. As not only F-16s but all American made aircraft are categorized in blocks to display their package of electronics and systems on board. If not known, don't fill it in...

Just my thought about it

By the way, I just noted another picture of a German CH-53GS. However it was named CH-53G. But German Stallions with gasbags on the main gearbays are the GS version, specially updated for the CSAR role IIRC.
In that way I started searching the site for how to be able to correct the info and that's why I ended up within this thread because the Viper picture I saw before could use some information editing to

Anyway. A nice site for what I've seen by now

Greetings ;)

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#1909 2008-01-25 18:24 GMT-5 hours    
Hi Fiddler,

That F-16 site you mention is very good and I have been using it for some research in the last few days. Cataloguing the F-16 variants on the site by block number was something I did think about and was one of several possible options. As you say, it is quite possible from that site, as well as other reference sources to find out what block number any specific airframe is. It's certainly ok for further information, like the block number to be added in the remarks box if known but we do think that to sort and catalogue by block number would not be practical, at the moment I'm editing about half the F-16 pic coming in for basic variant. Thanks for the info about the German CH-53s though and I'll take a look at them and add the CH-53GS model shortly.

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#2003 2008-02-09 07:11 GMT-5 hours    
Hoy Gary,

Some F-16 designations are missing in your message from 22.01.2008
General Dynamics YF-16A (the prototypes)
General Dynamics F-16B ADF Fighting Falcon (used in the US ANG, now all stored)
General Dynamics F-16XL (2 models were "re"build)
General Dynamics F-16N (used in the US NAVY, now all stored)
General Dynamics TF-16N (used in the US NAVY, now all stored)

About the issue with General Dynamics and/or Lockheed Martin, F16C/D's build before MARCH'1993 are GD, after that date LM.

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#2009 2008-02-10 16:18 GMT-5 hours    
Hi Dirk,

I was a little lacking in my post above - apologises. The YF-16, F-16XL, and F-16N are all on the drop down menus. I didn't edit or alter them and left them as they were, I should have put them on the list above as well as the entries I've altered. The lack of the TF-16N I'll certainly rectify, as soon as Ray has finished with the site and things are back to normal. The F-16B ADF was missing originally and I had planned on leaving that alone, as I was under the impression that the B model did not undergo a ADF upgrade, but I've since read otherwise so will add that as well, although it does not have the distinctive 'bulges' at the base of the fin that the A model ADF has. The GD/LM swapover is a hard one to call and manage on the site given that a date of construction is the only difference between GD and LM F-16C/Ds. Granted, on USAF aircraft it would be relatively straight forward to do this given the FY numbers being visible but overseas aircraft would get rather difficult. I think we have gone for the best compromise possible.

Gary

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